is that the budget is out of control. >> the trick is to be honest and inspirational at the same time. chris: 50-year-old factory worker, 50-year-old man or woman in western pennsylvania, indiana, the states that will decide the next election, wisconsin, we're there all the time. are they thinking the president has this figured out? >> if you look at the statistics and polling and talk to poem in those places, they don't think that. they're highly skeptical and open to another message from somebody who, if he or she can find it, mixes honesty with inspiration. if you're just going to tell people, look, here are the cold, hard facts, that's not going to work. newt gingrich is tiptoeing around actually running and i was struck by what he said. we believe it is possible through the right policies with the right values to create dramatically more jobs with dramatically higher incomes. now, open question, can newt gingrich do that? i don't know.